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There's an article going around about the 'Gay Twist on Sherlock Holmes' and while it earned a giggle from me at first, something has been bothering me about it all day1.

I quote:
...Michael Medved, a former Post movie critic, says Downey and Law must be joking. "There's not a seething, bubbling hunger to see straight stars impersonating homosexuals," Medved told us. "I think they're just trying to generate controversy . . . They know that making Holmes and Watson homosexual will take away two-thirds of their box office. Who is going to want to see Downey Jr. and Law make out? I don't think it would be appealing to women. Straight men don't want to see it."

I'm not sure where to start with this. There's the fangirl reaction which involves a lot of squealing and thinking that man, that's hot. Then there's being offended at the pigeonholing of female sexuality that happened so easily there. Woman must not like that sort of thing? Has anyone noticed how many straight (and actually, not-so-straight) women are very very intrigued by things like Adam Lambert's hips, or homo-erotic fiction? Or the proliferation of things like slash-fiction on the internet.

But wait for a moment. Let us take this out of the realms of fandom, and fic. How about the fact that bastions of supposedly straight and conservative women like Young and the Restless have featured storylines involving gay teens dating and *gasp* kissing, earning the show some of it's highest rating in a very long time. It was more about the relationship than the simple appeal, but those two boys being attractive wasn't a detriment. Things like this are apparently also forgotten.

Moving on from there, is the unspoken assumption that it's going to somehow be some sort of orgy filled snogfest. That the story won't be interesting or compelling enough that any homo-eroticism in their relationship, overt or covert, would be the focus. It's Sherlock Bloody Holmes, for god's sake, and Guy Ritchie. I mean, I was already going to give it a go.

Then is the assertion that the actors and director mistakenly think there's some sort of clamoring to see straight stars impersonating homosexuals. Whilst I won't even touch on fandom here, I will say that isn't that part of what acting is about? Being something that you aren't to tell a story? Every day people pretend to be straight or gay, victim or bully, jewish or christian, when their own lives might not reflect this at all. The studio and director made the choice to go for two big name actors. If they'd wanted Sherlock to wear an eyepatch, speak in a norweigan accent and hop around on one leg all whilst bemoaning his traumatic childhood, RDJ would have.

There doesn't need to be a seething, bubbling hunger, there simply needs to be a way to make it fit in with the story Ritchie is trying to tell. I would have said there wasn't a seething, bubbling hunger to see a show about polygamists either, but look at Big Love, and how successful its been for HBO.

There is some baffling about the statement that 'They know that making Holmes and Watson homosexual will take away two-thirds of their box office'. Do they really? All straight men will forgo seeing this? That's a fairly broad, homophobic and sexist assumption. Do those straight men also wear anti-gay wards, to keep away those pesky gay germs that might infect them? What about gay men and women? Are they considered? Or the straight woman that do want to see them make out, or even don't care one way or another?

Finally, it's a bit insulting to those of us who actually want to see the movie because it looks, if nothing else, intriguing. Those of us that like or love Sherlock Holmes and are curious about this re-imagining. Yes, some of us are maybe preparing to be horrified, but it's there. The people who are Guy Ritchie fans, or Law and RDJ fans, and would doubtless go to see any movie they were in (please remember, I have Heart and Souls on my computer. Don't judge me, I beg of you). Or those who simply want to see one of the highly touted movies of next year, and don't care one way or the other as to the romantic inclinations of two men.

I do wonder about quotes like that. I realise they are in part ot stir up controversy, and in that they succeed. But I wonder how any sane person can make such a statement, and on the record.

1 No, it's not the differentiation between gay and homo-erotic, that's a rant left for [livejournal.com profile] birkentree to make

Date: 2009-08-05 04:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falco-conlon.livejournal.com
I agree on all fronts. What an absurd, ignorant comment to make.

Date: 2009-08-05 04:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deensey.livejournal.com
However, I do like the phrase 'seething, bubbling hunger' and feel the need to use it more in my life.

For that alone, Mr Medved, I thank you.

Date: 2009-08-05 04:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] moonlight69
HEY, I LOVE HEART AND SOULS. I am not ashamed of this.

Date: 2009-08-05 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deensey.livejournal.com
Suuuure you aren't. SUUUUUURE.

I love it too. It's an adorkable sort of movie.

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Date: 2009-08-05 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ms-kilian.livejournal.com
Totally agree with you here. And I'd add: Torchwood's love story b/w Jack & Janto; Sean Penn as Harvey Milk and the list goes on.

Date: 2009-08-05 04:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deensey.livejournal.com
Absolutely. Those were all quite successful, and I think being very overlooked.

Date: 2009-08-05 05:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moongirli.livejournal.com
I saw this on imdb earlier and my first thought was, "Women aren't interested in seeing two hot men kiss? This guy must not know any fangirls."

Date: 2009-08-05 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deensey.livejournal.com
Seriously not!

Date: 2009-08-05 05:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] omgrhi.livejournal.com
I own Heart and Souls on DVD. SHHHH.

Date: 2009-08-05 05:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deensey.livejournal.com
Shhh, you're the one that turned me on to that movie!

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Date: 2009-08-05 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/raven_/
I... well DUH.

When's the movie out? Bring. It. On. Heh.

Date: 2009-08-05 05:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deensey.livejournal.com
Next year, north american spring, I think?

Date: 2009-08-05 05:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] villana.livejournal.com
Tis funny, the more camp RDJ is, the more I love him...

Date: 2009-08-05 05:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deensey.livejournal.com
Yes, totally.

Date: 2009-08-05 06:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/raven_/
Hey you. I have not burned/posted/done nuffing with your Torchwood, owing to a bunch of time off and medical type tests. You still needem? I think Denise ate all my DVDs though, Ima have to check.

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Date: 2009-08-05 06:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/raven_/
As an aside. My mom bought a movie with Nicole Kidman in it, for a friend, who 'liked her'.

That movie was Fur, with her and RDJ.

I watched it with her. I do not think she has ever seen a movie quite /that/ variety of weird. *snerk*

I have it. She's not going to give it to the friend. Look it up. You know you want to.

Date: 2009-08-05 06:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deensey.livejournal.com
I know that movie. It sorta freaks me out.

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Date: 2009-08-05 06:06 am (UTC)
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(liked NK, not liked the mother.)

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Date: 2009-08-05 09:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birkentree.livejournal.com
Awww, you left a whole rant all for me?

You shouldn't have!

Date: 2009-08-05 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deensey.livejournal.com
I DID! I thought that I was ranting about enough.

HOWEVER. I did call it homo-erotic in my rant, ALL FOR YOU BABY

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Date: 2009-08-05 10:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birkentree.livejournal.com
I has a present (http://birkentree.livejournal.com/155829.html) for you!

Date: 2009-08-06 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deensey.livejournal.com
You are WIN

Date: 2009-08-05 01:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kseda.livejournal.com
Word. This. IAWTC. I'm loving how you used an Alan icon for this post ♥

ALSO I'll have you know that when I had four teeth pulled at once to prepare for braces, and was all doped up and miserable, my mother asked me what movie I wanted to see and she'd go rent it. "Heart and Souls," I wrote out for I could not speak without dribbling. Heart. And. Souls. It is COMFORT CINEMA trufax.

Date: 2009-08-06 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deensey.livejournal.com
I HAD TO USE HIM!

Hee, it is VERY MUCH comfort cinema.

Date: 2009-08-05 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] waiwode.livejournal.com
The whole "Did Sherlock & Holmes have teh gay" thing has been handled both by serious academics and hacks. As a whole, I'm tired of the argument ... although Watson was married, and after her death married again (not that this really means anything) in the end anyone familiar with the character of Sherlock Holmes would find it very difficult to believe he is in an intimite relationship with anyone.

Still, far more vexing is the damage done to good Dr Watson's character by the movies of the mid-20th c which invariably portray the doctor as a bumbling buffoon, forever wandering around with his foot stuck in a bucket.

On the other hand, Ben Kingsley's Watson in Without a Clue is sublime, although wildly revisionist.

I don't know why I get so caught up about Watson. And don't even get me started on Sir Kay. Screw Chrétien de Troyes!

Doug.

Date: 2009-08-05 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ms-hecubus.livejournal.com
I love this comment. Not only do I completely agree with you on the matter of their relationship I also have the big hate for buffoon Watson. The man was completely competent and very intelligent in his own right. Can you imagine Holmes wasting his time with an idiot?

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Date: 2009-08-05 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ms-hecubus.livejournal.com
I don't buy a Holmes/Watson relationship and that would have been enough to completely turn be off from the movie if it weren't for the fact that it's Law and RDJ! I could see myself watching what I expect will be a giant turd to see them kiss. I guess I have the bubbling whatchacallit he's talking about. ;)

Date: 2009-08-05 07:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ashkitty.livejournal.com
Yeah, he says 'Who's going to want to watch Downey Jr and Law make out,' and the internet collectively perked up, raised a million hands, and went UM, WE DO!

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Date: 2009-08-05 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] worlddescending.livejournal.com
What I was struck by is how out of touch Medved is. Not surprising, but the world is changing. Medved needs to get on the train and ride with it.

Date: 2009-08-05 11:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deensey.livejournal.com
HE really is. I do note that it says EX CRITIC.

Date: 2009-08-05 07:19 pm (UTC)
ext_14294: A redhead an a couple of cats. (Default)
From: [identity profile] ashkitty.livejournal.com
Oh, Mr Medved, you are SO VERY WRONG.

Date: 2009-08-05 11:58 pm (UTC)

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